# Kinograph 2.0 "Town hall" **URL:** \ **Category:** Uncategorized\ **Created:** [February 16, 2025, 2:44am UTC](https://forums.kinograph.cc/t/kinograph-2-0-town-hall/2880 "2025-02-16T02:44:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 59
**Author:** ![PM490](https://forums.kinograph.cc/user_avatar/forums.kinograph.cc/pm490/32/3176_2.png) [@PM490](https://forums.kinograph.cc/u/PM490)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2025, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.kinograph.cc/t/kinograph-2-0-town-hall/2880/59 "2025-03-19T13:44:33Z")
> [@filmkeeper](#): > > I’m not trying to argue with you Certainly not trying… you are arguing 🙂 > [@filmkeeper](#): > > My point was that an 8mm Kinograph does not have a lot of space to exist at the moment May I suggest you read the **Kinograph Design Goals**? > [@Kinograph design criteria](https://forums.kinograph.cc/t/kinograph-design-criteria/2900/1): > > 35/16 **for now**. A large 16mm reel is about the same diameter as a standard 35mm reel. The spatial requirements of machines for either format are very similar, so it makes sense to to tackle them both at the same time. **The spatical requirements for 8mm are _not_ close to either format and therefore makes more sense to exist as its own separate machine.** Doing so will also create an opportunity to design from scratch without inheriting any of the decisions made for the larger machine. > [@Kinograph design criteria](https://forums.kinograph.cc/t/kinograph-design-criteria/2900/1): > > A machine that can scan 4K at 24fps for \<$8,000 USD, including PC and camera. I do not see anything indicating 8mm is out of the picture. And the price ranges of the Piktor -or the equivalent Piktor Pro- are clearly above the Kinograph stated cost goal. > [@filmkeeper](#): > > I think that’s more of an incorrect perception, and more reflective of the market _wanting_ to spend less than it is their ability to do so. > [@filmkeeper](#): > > Yes, but your project is not a _Kinograph_. If people want to build a dirt-cheap Raspberry Pi scanner they can already do that. Which project is “a _Kinograph_”? Until it is defined -and documented- what it is, nothing is. @filmkeeper my takeaway from this back and forth… you are very defensive on maintaining a the price level of 8mm at the level of the Piktor… not sure why.It seems that you have in mind -as you say- a _market_, which one would understand as a commercial target segment. Maybe not your intention, but it is coming across as “the Piktor or nothing (is good enough for 8mm)”… or that you have a vested interest Filmfabriek. By the way, there is talk of other high-quality commercial 8mm scanners (probably at a similar or higher price range to Piktor/Piktor Pro). Kinetta made mention in its forum of [the idea of an 8mm new scanner](https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1BCGr6WUb4/). Rather than a “market” I see _use-cases_, rather than “target customers” I see _user-profiles_ (both financial and technical). I have collaborated with Kinograph -at no cost to the project- **because I did not see it as a commercial enterprise**. At the time, maybe others did not see it that way. @matthewepler has reached the same realization, and made it clear when articulating his new direction for the project as a non-for-profit at the youtube townhall [link to relevant portion](https://youtu.be/mhgIeIf0f20?t=1132). For the student-artist community shooting new Super-8, and other non-profits exploring novel 8mm, a $12,000 8mm scanner is not financially accessible. The use-case for a sub $2000 scanner may not be commercial scanning services, although many are already providing these services with even lesser quality commercial scanners, plenty of examples at this [Facebook group](https://www.facebook.com/groups/548754799318559). So let’s agree to disagree. --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.kinograph.cc/t/kinograph-2-0-town-hall/2880)._